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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by Adam</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2522</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;ve yet to find a satisfying explanation of how anarcho-socialism would abolish the state. In the face of unlimited wants and limited resources, there needs to be some means of allocating resources, and it seems to be that the only options are private property or some sort of state.

Most anarcho-socialists I&#039;ve spoken to seem to think that by decentralising the state, introducing aspects of direct democracy and renaming it something euphemistic like &quot;union&quot; or &quot;council&quot; is the equivalent of abolishing it.

John - Have you heard of anarcho-capitalist thinkers such as Murray Rothbard (from the Austrian school) or David Friedman (from the Chicago school)? They&#039;re probably more relevant to this discussion than early neo-classical economists like Smith or Ricardo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve yet to find a satisfying explanation of how anarcho-socialism would abolish the state. In the face of unlimited wants and limited resources, there needs to be some means of allocating resources, and it seems to be that the only options are private property or some sort of state.</p>
<p>Most anarcho-socialists I&#8217;ve spoken to seem to think that by decentralising the state, introducing aspects of direct democracy and renaming it something euphemistic like &#8220;union&#8221; or &#8220;council&#8221; is the equivalent of abolishing it.</p>
<p>John &#8211; Have you heard of anarcho-capitalist thinkers such as Murray Rothbard (from the Austrian school) or David Friedman (from the Chicago school)? They&#8217;re probably more relevant to this discussion than early neo-classical economists like Smith or Ricardo.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by Rob</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 03:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question about your principles listed above, in regards to liberty and solidarity. 

You mention &quot;illegitimate forms of authority&quot;, can you elaborate on what represents illegitimate authority? You also mention under Liberty, that you oppose domination, and work to subvert such structures, but in Solidarity you state you &quot;...believe that human survival and social development can best be secured through co‐operation among individuals and groups to their mutual benefit.&quot;

I&#039;m curious at how this works in practice. As someone whom supports personal freedoms and is opposed to oppression, I make it a point to understand the rules and restrictions I am enforcing in my position as a security guard. But I find at times people who rebel towards the authority I represent as a matter of political opinion are often unaccepting of working towards mutually beneficial arrangements. I don&#039;t mean to cast aspersions on your group, I&#039;m just asking as to clarify what you would consider the best representation of your aims and principles in a scenario where I as an authority and was preventing your members from accessing an area as deemed by my employers, considering the MAC&#039;s views on authority and solidarity with the working class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question about your principles listed above, in regards to liberty and solidarity. </p>
<p>You mention &#8220;illegitimate forms of authority&#8221;, can you elaborate on what represents illegitimate authority? You also mention under Liberty, that you oppose domination, and work to subvert such structures, but in Solidarity you state you &#8220;&#8230;believe that human survival and social development can best be secured through co‐operation among individuals and groups to their mutual benefit.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious at how this works in practice. As someone whom supports personal freedoms and is opposed to oppression, I make it a point to understand the rules and restrictions I am enforcing in my position as a security guard. But I find at times people who rebel towards the authority I represent as a matter of political opinion are often unaccepting of working towards mutually beneficial arrangements. I don&#8217;t mean to cast aspersions on your group, I&#8217;m just asking as to clarify what you would consider the best representation of your aims and principles in a scenario where I as an authority and was preventing your members from accessing an area as deemed by my employers, considering the MAC&#8217;s views on authority and solidarity with the working class.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by John</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2321</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan,

Anarcho-capitalism is a bit of an oxymoron as it still works within an oppressive corporate/market structure to attain &quot;freedom,&quot; whereas libertarian socialism (anarchism) is about transcending such peripheries in order to get a stronger form of liberty. What sort of anarcho-capitalism are you referring to, the likes of Adam Smith, Wilhelm von Humboldt, David Ricardo etc or? Obviously they see the market system far differently to contemporary &quot;capitalists&quot; (who are not really capitalists obviously).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan,</p>
<p>Anarcho-capitalism is a bit of an oxymoron as it still works within an oppressive corporate/market structure to attain &#8220;freedom,&#8221; whereas libertarian socialism (anarchism) is about transcending such peripheries in order to get a stronger form of liberty. What sort of anarcho-capitalism are you referring to, the likes of Adam Smith, Wilhelm von Humboldt, David Ricardo etc or? Obviously they see the market system far differently to contemporary &#8220;capitalists&#8221; (who are not really capitalists obviously).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by admin</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2282</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carole,

1. Captain Cook did not discover Australia. People had been living on the continent for quite a few years before that English gentleman spied its east coast. Perhaps you mean he was the first Englishman to step ashore in these parts? If so, you&#039;re wrong on that score too: William Dampier stuck his nose in around 1688.
2. January 26 actually commemorates the day Arthur Phillip came ashore at Sydney Cove.
3. Yes. The desire of British authorities to be rid of what it considered to be a criminal class is partly what prompted it to authorise the establishment of a penal colony; inter-imperialist rivalry (especially for control of the Pacific) was another important factor.
4. Those responsible for redecorating James Cook&#039;s family&#039;s cottage that he may (or may not) have lived in and that was imported into Australia in the 1930s are not known at this stage.
5. You can read our response to Channel 9&#039;s silly reportage &lt;a href=&quot;http://mac.anarchobase.com/2013/02/dear-channel-9-on-the-grafitti-at-captain-cooks-cottage/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carole,</p>
<p>1. Captain Cook did not discover Australia. People had been living on the continent for quite a few years before that English gentleman spied its east coast. Perhaps you mean he was the first Englishman to step ashore in these parts? If so, you&#8217;re wrong on that score too: William Dampier stuck his nose in around 1688.<br />
2. January 26 actually commemorates the day Arthur Phillip came ashore at Sydney Cove.<br />
3. Yes. The desire of British authorities to be rid of what it considered to be a criminal class is partly what prompted it to authorise the establishment of a penal colony; inter-imperialist rivalry (especially for control of the Pacific) was another important factor.<br />
4. Those responsible for redecorating James Cook&#8217;s family&#8217;s cottage that he may (or may not) have lived in and that was imported into Australia in the 1930s are not known at this stage.<br />
5. You can read our response to Channel 9&#8242;s silly reportage <a href="http://mac.anarchobase.com/2013/02/dear-channel-9-on-the-grafitti-at-captain-cooks-cottage/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Statement on firebomb attack on Freedom Press (London) by Bairn</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/2013/02/statement-on-firebomb-attack-on-freedom-press-london/comment-page-1/#comment-2246</link>
		<dc:creator>Bairn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent many a Thursday in there folding, wrapping and posting Freedom Press.  The unknown but we can bet Fascists. 

Solidarity from a statist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent many a Thursday in there folding, wrapping and posting Freedom Press.  The unknown but we can bet Fascists. </p>
<p>Solidarity from a statist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by Carole Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator>Carole Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Cook did not invade Australia.  He discovered it and the government of UK decided to use this country as a penal colony.  Get your facts straight before you vandalise buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Cook did not invade Australia.  He discovered it and the government of UK decided to use this country as a penal colony.  Get your facts straight before you vandalise buildings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by admin</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2209</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 06:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Duncan,

As our Aims &amp; Principles suggest, we oppose capitalism and instead advocate a libertarian (anti-statist) socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Duncan,</p>
<p>As our Aims &#038; Principles suggest, we oppose capitalism and instead advocate a libertarian (anti-statist) socialism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by Duncan Bayne</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2148</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Bayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! As a self described anarcho-capitalist, I&#039;m curious to know MAC&#039;s position on that philosophy. Personally I&#039;m skeptical of any philosophy that is socialist, because history has shown that it doesn&#039;t scale beyond small voluntary groups without applying violence to those whose ability is greater than their need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! As a self described anarcho-capitalist, I&#8217;m curious to know MAC&#8217;s position on that philosophy. Personally I&#8217;m skeptical of any philosophy that is socialist, because history has shown that it doesn&#8217;t scale beyond small voluntary groups without applying violence to those whose ability is greater than their need.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by taotiger</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2134</link>
		<dc:creator>taotiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meet an baybee anArchist
Along thee dewmorn waye,
She say to me, “be free be free
Of tyrranee, and play with me.”

I walk’d onbye yon baybee wee,
And meet an golde man uniformed,
Who say to me, “bow down bow down
Littleman to my crown, lest 
Ubermensch doth hast thy neck.”

Thus stumbled I to factory floore,
Slaughterhouse of meek and poor,
Awash with blood, did find in rags
Old labourer lamenting, “Oh to feel the way
Of yore, before they worked me to my grayve,
Rest here awhile lad, share mine bread.”

Three ages of mAn, two sages, one heart
Yet rages fromme inside the cages -
Have courage, the way of the bayb
Will prevail o’er the jackbooted slavers,
Play for the worker dear, bruteforce bent
O’er desk and plough, head held high
This blackest of night, redsky dawning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meet an baybee anArchist<br />
Along thee dewmorn waye,<br />
She say to me, “be free be free<br />
Of tyrranee, and play with me.”</p>
<p>I walk’d onbye yon baybee wee,<br />
And meet an golde man uniformed,<br />
Who say to me, “bow down bow down<br />
Littleman to my crown, lest<br />
Ubermensch doth hast thy neck.”</p>
<p>Thus stumbled I to factory floore,<br />
Slaughterhouse of meek and poor,<br />
Awash with blood, did find in rags<br />
Old labourer lamenting, “Oh to feel the way<br />
Of yore, before they worked me to my grayve,<br />
Rest here awhile lad, share mine bread.”</p>
<p>Three ages of mAn, two sages, one heart<br />
Yet rages fromme inside the cages -<br />
Have courage, the way of the bayb<br />
Will prevail o’er the jackbooted slavers,<br />
Play for the worker dear, bruteforce bent<br />
O’er desk and plough, head held high<br />
This blackest of night, redsky dawning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aims &amp; Principles by Yugo</title>
		<link>http://mac.anarchobase.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-2098</link>
		<dc:creator>Yugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 10:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology by David Graeber, and I was wondering if any of the members were familiar with this book. Please leave a comment if you have, and what you thought of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology by David Graeber, and I was wondering if any of the members were familiar with this book. Please leave a comment if you have, and what you thought of it.</p>
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